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  1. @Patrick - apparently whoever did the vital signs at the cardiologist office does not know how to properly take orthostatic vitals. Here is a video from " The dysautonomia project " website that shows you exactly how to do it. Personally I would do this test several times on different days and take these results either to your PCP or your cardiologist and request a referral to an autonomic specialist ( since you say they are not familiar with dysautonomia ). Look under our physician tab on the home page of this site - there are many physicians educated in dysautonomia listed. Depending on where you live it may require you to travel out of state. I hope very much you will find an educated physician soon!
  2. @Clueingforlooks - sorry for the delayed response. In times that my adrenaline dumps and the hyperadrenergic symptoms exaggerate I avoid stimulation or exercise, I rest and drink plenty of fluids ( in my case I get extra IV fluids, since I have a port and can do it at home myself ). The more you force yourself to function the worse the resulting fatigue will be and the worse the adrenaline rushes will be. I take a lot of medications that help with the rushes as well and recently I started Wellbutrin, which is very effective in helping to keep me from having these adrenergic surges. Be well!
  3. @Julyrose - don't be scared, the port placement was easy on me, and I had it done twice ( my first port had problems ). I am sure they will run fluids during the procedure, so you should be fine. There will be some soreness afterwards but nothing too too bad ( at least it was that way for me ). I was surprised that it hurt more in my shoulder and neck on that side than at the actual port site, but I was told that is normal. I will be thinking of you tomorrow and am looking forward for you post-op update. Best of luck!!!
  4. By Susanne Rimm Many symptoms experienced by people living with POTS and other dysautonomias are related to a miscommunication within the Autonomic Nervous System) (ANS) between the sympathetic and the parasympathetic systems. The ANS controls the pressure inside our blood vessels. This complicated process involves many aspects of anatomy ( heart and vasculature ), hormones, chemicals, and nerves. Efficient circulation is necessary to provide the body systems with adequate oxygen and nutrition to perform their specific tasks. Some organs or parts of the body need a constant rate of circulation ( i.e., the brain ), and some need more at certain times ( i.e., the digestive tract ). Maintaining and directing blood flow within the body is dependent on the harmonious communication between the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems. These systems influence blood flow by widening the blood vessels (vasodilation) or tightening the vessels (vasoconstriction). Vasodilation lowers the pressure within the vessels vs. vasoconstriction which raises the pressure. These systems respond differently to various triggers within the body ( endogenous ) and from outside of the body ( exogenous ). What are blood vessels? Blood vessels are precisely that – vessels that transport blood. Anatomically they are tubular structures with an inner lining (endothelium), which is surrounded by connective tissue. They contain smooth muscle cells that respond to small nerve fibers directly connected to the ANS. Arteries carry oxygenated blood from the heart through the body, and veins return the blood through the lungs to the heart. Vasodilation Widening of blood vessels increases blood flow, lowers blood pressure, and occurs when the smooth muscle cells within the walls relax. This can occur in response to endogenous factors such as hormones, chemicals, or nerve impulses. An increase in carbon dioxide, potassium ions, hydrogen ions, and adenosine can all lead to vasodilation. Another cause is the release of the hormone epinephrine caused by the activation of beta-2 receptors in the muscles of the blood vessels. Other causes for vasodilation are the release of nitrous oxide ( a substance released by certain nerves during inflammation ) as well as the release of histamine. (1,2) Exogenous factors that can cause vasodilation are heat, certain foods, or beverages (e.g. alcohol ) or light and noises from the environment. Pharmaceuticals can also cause vasodilation and can be used to treat certain conditions like angina or hypertension. Vasodilation can lead to hot, flushed skin by drawing circulation to the periphery and away from the core. Other symptoms include sweating, tachycardia, nausea, dizziness, vision and hearing changes, headaches, and more. (1,2) Vasoconstriction Narrowing of blood vessels occurs when the smooth muscles of the vessel walls constrict, resulting in restricted blood flow. This increase in vascular resistance raises systemic blood pressure and causes a localized reduction in blood flow. The general mechanism leading to vasoconstriction is an increased concentration of calcium ions in the smooth muscle cells. This concentration occurs because of an increase in epinephrine or activation of the sympathetic nervous system through the release of norepinephrine. These neurotransmitters interact with adrenergic receptors. Again, vasoconstriction can be caused by endogenous and exogenous factors. Examples for exogenous causes are exposure to severe cold temperatures, which cause the cutaneous vessels to constrict in an attempt to reroute the circulating blood to the core. This constriction is what causes the skin to become pale in cold weather as less blood reaches the surface. Medications such as antihistamines, amphetamines, or stimulants are vasoconstrictors. They can be used to increase blood pressure or reduce local blood flow. The most crucial endogenous trigger for vasoconstriction is the normal attempt of the ANS to correct the sudden drop in blood pressure that occurs when standing to avert orthostatic hypotension. A critical trigger for vasoconstriction is the narrowing of blood vessels necessary during sudden hemorrhage. As the body attempts to stop or limit blood loss, circulation is diverted towards vital organs and away from the source of the bleeding. The more common symptoms of vasoconstriction are tremors, cold extremities, paleness or bluish color skin, tachycardia, palpitations, chest pains, and more. (3) Autonomic Tone Autonomic Tone is the balance of sympathetic and parasympathetic activity. It is regulated by the hypothalamus ( the primary control of the ANS ). In healthy individuals, the autonomic tone is responsible for restoring homeostasis, the body's ability to maintain a constant internal environment. In dysautonomia, this balance is disturbed, and one or the other branch dominates, causing an overcompensation or withdrawal of the sympathetic or parasympathetic activity. (4) How it all ties together Since there are so many different ways that the pressure within the blood vessels can be influenced, it is no surprise that a malfunction can have similar symptoms yet completely different causes. Here are a few examples of why different types of dysautonomia cause inappropriate vasodilation or vasoconstriction. (5,6) Neuropathy This type of dysautonomia is thought to be caused by the partial denervation of the sympathetic nerves of the lower limbs. Since the smooth muscle cells of the vascular walls respond to the peripheral small fiber nerve endings of the ANS, this denervation may lead to inadequate vasoconstriction. Therefore, the ANS is unable to prevent or correct blood pooling, leading to a drop in BP and a compensatory increase in heart rate (HR) in response to orthostasis. A study by Jacob et al. showed that patients with neuropathic POTS had normal neuronal norepinephrine release in their arms but less norepinephrine in their lower body. Meaning there was less sympathetic activation in the blood vessels of the legs. A secondary form of neuropathic dysautonomia occurs in diabetic or alcoholic neuropathy resulting in ineffective blood pressure control via the vascular innervation. (5,6) Ehler-Danlos Syndrome Ehlers-Danlos-Syndrome (EDS), or joint hypermobility syndrome, can cause abnormal connective tissue in the vessel walls, which permits the veins to dilate excessively. This dilation causes blood pooling in the lower limbs and a decrease in blood pressure. Some of these patients also display alpha and beta-adrenergic hyper-responsiveness. (6) Mast-Cell Activation MCAD results in the release of the vasodilator histamine and other mast cell mediators, which may contribute to POTS. The excessive vasodilation caused by this reaction can cause many symptoms consistent with POTS and marked by flushing episodes. (6) Hyperadrenergic POTS (HyperPOTS) This type of dysautonomia is characterized by an increased level of the neurotransmitter norepinephrine, a vasoconstrictor. This can occur in several ways: Sympathetic overcompensation - Norepinephrine gets dumped in response to a drop in BP, possibly due to vasodilation Parasympathetic withdrawal - the ANS fails to counteract sympathetic activation or the inability to clear excess NE out of the synaptic cleft. Hyperadrenergic POTS is often accompanied by high BP, high HR, and symptoms of sudden and extreme vasoconstriction brought on by the "fight-or-flight" response. This can lead to a loss of circulation to the brain and result in syncope or seizures in severe cases. (7) Neurocardiogenic syncope The conscious state depends on adequate cerebral blood flow, which is auto-regulated by the ANS. Normal orthostasis is maintained by a brief increase in the sympathetic tone and maintenance of BP. In neurocardiogenic syncope, there is an inappropriate decrease in sympathetic tone followed by a compensatory increase in parasympathetic tone. This fluctuation leads to a sudden drop in both BP and HR due to vasodilation, often accompanied by a sudden loss of consciousness due to a temporary loss of cerebral circulation. The causes include orthostasis, hot temperature, and emotional triggers. This article is a brief overview of the intricate and complicated correlation between the ANS and our cardio-vascular system. Hopefully, this aids in a better understanding of why we experience the symptoms typically experienced with POTS and other forms of dysautonomia. (8) Sources: https://biologydictionary.net/vasodilation/ https://healthfully.com/how-do-blood-vessels-constrict-dilate-4240725.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasoconstriction https://graduateway.com/chapter-15-the-autonomic-nervous-system-4-essay/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1501099/ https://www.dinet.org/info/pots/what-causes-pots-r98/ https://www.dinet.org/info/pots/hyperadrenergic-pots-hyperpots-an-overview-of-a-pots-subtype-r220/ https://www.dinet.org/info/ncs/neurocardiogenic-syncope-info-r104/  
  5. Yes - I get this as well. I am homebound due to the inability to tolerate high-noise and crowded environments, in addition to the inability to be upright for long that pretty much makes it impossible to do anything outside of the home. IF I have to go to an appointment or to a store - despite using a wheel chair for those situations - I am often drained for days afterwards and sometimes it results in a flare.
  6. @MomtoGiuliana - thank you for sharing this interesting experience! I wish this therapy would be available where I live - I can totally see how it could help with the hyperstimulation of POTS! I myself have hyperadrenergic POTS, which - as you know - causes a constant state of "Fight-or-Flight" due to increased levels of adrenaline. When I am very symptomatic retreating to a quiet, dark room and lying down can help. Float therapy could very well help people who suffer from these symptoms! I truly think that once overstimulation is overcome it interrupts the faulty signals of the ANS - and it sounds like float-therapy can accomplish that! I hope that it continues to help you overcome your current flare! 😉
  7. Dear @catherinedianeabbott - I am so sorry you are going through this! POTS runs in my family as well and I have read that it often gets passed down from mother to daughter. My mother and 2 sisters have it but my 2 brothers do not. Since you mother suffers from it as well you at least have ONE ally! Unfortunately it is extremely common that the struggles from POTS are hard to understand by Others and most of us on this forum experience ignorance from people regarding our limitations, including many physicians. The book " the dysautonomia project ", which can be purchased from here https://thedysautonomiaproject.org/ or from amazon , is a very helpful tool for both physicians and patients and has also sections for family and friends of people with POTS. It was essential to me in educating Others about the reality of my symptoms, and I gave a copy of it to my PCP as well. The following is also a very good resource That reminds me - since your mother has POTS I assume she already sees physicians that are familiar with POTS? A good PCP is essential in dealing with this disorder b/c many of us have to see several specialists for the diverse symptoms we can have from it, and a PCP is managing all of the necessary referrals for you. Until you receive a proper diagnosis through a TTT and see a specialist you may want to follow @MomtoGiuliana's advice and increase salt and water intake as well as use compression stockings, which help many POTS patients. Also - personally I find it difficult to continue a job that requires so much standing, since standing is the single-most common trigger for our symptoms. When I was still working my employer had to accommodate a sitting position for me. This is actually a law in the US, so once diagnosed your employer would have to do the same. Your doctor can give you a note for this. Although sad that your mother suffers from POTS as well I am glad for you b.c you have someone to guide you through this. And - since she has improved it is quite likely that your symptoms also will improve with proper treatment and lifestyle changes, especially avoiding prolonged standing or walking. Best wishes for you both!!!
  8. I would like your opinion ( or knowledge ) on this: Due to the cognitive deficits occurring in POTS I was seen by a neuropsychologist years ago that diagnosed me with ADHD. Because of symptoms of this being present in childhood she said it was a primary diagnosis, not due to POTS. My brother and sisters ( sisters also were diagnosed with hyperadrenergic POTS in the last few years ) recently were diagnosed with it as well, the physicians said no doubt about it, 150 %. According to literature ( I am including the following article ) the ADHD in POTS is AQUIRED and not as prominent. https://www.dysautonomiainternational.org/blog/wordpress/cognitive-dysfunction-and-brain-fog-in-pots/ In hindsight my autonomic specialist believes that my POTS was present since childhood as well, I was just able to compensate for it most of my life ( I had obvious symptoms of it in teenage years ). The above article was written years ago, since the article they found out that Ritalin ( commonly used for ADHD ) helps POTS symptoms, so I have been on this med for years, with good effects. --- I am now wondering: since in my case ADHD and POTS BOTH run in my family : are they related? Could the ADHD be CAUSED by the POTS ( hyperadrenergic type ) or are they separate issues? Do any of you share symptoms of ADHD along with your POTS diagnosis - or have been diagnosed with both? Do any of you take ADHD meds for your POTS ( Guanfacine, Ritalin etc ). -- https://www.heartrhythmalliance.org/files/files/stars/For Clinicians/Methylphenidate POTS.pdf The above article states this: "Based on our observations in this study we conclude that methylphenidate may be a beneficial therapy in POTS patients who fail or are intolerant to first line therapy. A prospectively designed randomized study in future may better define the role this therapy in patients with POTS." According to this it appears that Ritalin is given for the POTS related cognitive issues, which leads me to believe that MOST POTS patients have ADHD related symptoms? I am confused by this ( and I probably shouldn't be b/c it makes no difference in my treatment ). Essentially I am wondering if the egg came before the chicken. What are your thoughts on this, if you have any?
  9. @Julyrose - I am so happy for you! I am a new person since getting weekly IV's through my port and since I can get them as needed as well I am no longer debilitated from a simple cold!! It may very well be that your POTS symptoms are caused by the dehydration from gastroparesis - but keep in mind that many people with POTS DEVELOP gastroparesis FROM it! I wholeheartedly wish that for you!!!!!☺️
  10. @Scout - I agree with @FileTrekker. When you compare the range of people that have coronavirus in china to the rate of people who died from it - it is not that bad. The problem is that it spreads so fast b/c it is a new virus. IF you get it you would most likely be hospitalized and be in a safe place! --- Here is a recipe for homemade hand sanitizer: https://wellnessmama.com/281/homemade-hand-sanitizer/ Another tip: when amongst people wear gloves - this reminds you not to touch your face! And of course: wear a mask, that is still the best defense.
  11. @Michellek - that is a very difficult situation. Hyperacusis runs in my family and since my mother, sister and cousin have it I know what it can do to you. I also know overstimulation from POTS, since I suffer from that myself. I usually survive severe bouts of overstimulation from POTS with rest and avoidance of those situations. Hyperacusis is more difficult to handle, since there are currently no hearing aides available for this condition ( to the best of my knowledge ). Personally I benefit the most from IV fluids to calm down my overactive ANS but I also understand that that is not an option for everyone. Do you take any meds for dysautonomia? There are several medications that could help with symptoms of dysautonomia, however I do not know any for hyperacusis. Are you seeing a specialist that understands the issue?
  12. @MTRJ75 - I have atrial flutter and I can feel it when I have it. I can definitely tell the difference between that and the usual PVC's. When they caught it first while hooked to a monitor in the hospital my cardiologist put me on a holter monitor to see how often I have it. I would schedule an appointment with your cardiologist and discuss it with him.
  13. @WanderWonder - a HR of 65 - 80 is completely normal, REJOICE!!! In dysautonomia we have good and bad days, so you might simply be going through a good spell. Answer: NOPE!
  14. @statesof and @dj4msu -- I know from my own experience that cooler and coastal climates help my POTS. I would avoid hot and humid states since that can trigger symptoms. I am not sure why I feel better by the sea - if it is the fact that there is no elevation or the barometric pressure? I live in a mountainous, seasonal area and get severely affected by changes in barometric pressure.
  15. @Angela crouch - I developed POTS at 42 and got a lot worse during menopause at 50. My two older sisters, who also have POTS, DEVELOPED POTS during menopause. The hormonal changes seem to affect the ANS. My autonomic specialist had mentioned to me the possibility of it worsening with menopause and he also mentioned that hot flashes lower BP and therefore could trigger unwanted autonomic symptoms. I agree. I was lucky in that my OB/GYN, that had been my physician for year,s was willing to educate herself about POTS and worked with my PCP and specialist. She did not want me to take Hormone replacements due to the effect on the ANS ( although they were cleared by my specialist ). I did have to increase and alter my meds and that helped a lot with POTS. There are many natural supplements that are effective for menopause ( personally I took chaste tree ). You might want to either check with your gynecologist or see someone who is open to treating your unique symptoms. Often a physician in a university setting is more open to treat challenging patients. Also - do you have an autonomic specialist? If so he/she may be able to recommend someone. If you do not have one it might be helpful to see one at this point. You could refer to our physician chart. Do you have a family member or friend who could help you with finding and going to a doctor? I understand how difficult it can be to leave the house when you are this bad but at this point it appears that you are not able to improve with the usual remedies. Best wishes!!!!!!
  16. Hi - this is probably old news for many of you but I need to share this. I recently was started on Buboprion ( Wellbutrin ) for hyperadrenergic POTS, specifically fatigue and low energy. It has helped me soo much! Before I often had to "peel" myself out of bed to do chores, I had no energy and sometimes dreaded doing anything. Since I take Buboprion I feel well, have WAY more energy, can tackle things that before took me all day to do ( for example cleaning or vacuuming floors, putting groceries away, cleaning the fridge, changing sheets … simple chores ) and I need less rest in between. I can exercise on my rowing machine with more gusto, I no longer end my day in bed by 7 pm and I have been able to get out of the house more often. My two sisters, who also have POTS, have been taking it for a while and they have great improvements from it as well. I know it has been used for a long time as a treatment for autonomic instability, specifically POTS, so this is no great secret. But I wanted to shout it from the roof tops for anyone who needs help with these symptoms. It also has lowered my constantly fluctuating BP to stay consistently in a normal range and I was able to lower my dosage of beta blocker.
  17. @Scout - don't let the worry take ahold of you. I too get severely affected by viruses and certainly am cautious about getting sick. The only thing we can do to prevent us from getting sick ( including Corona virus ) is good and frequent handwashing, avoiding crowded places or travel and wearing a mask. Also - a healthy body fights viruses better, so living a generally healthy lifestyle with a good nutrition can be a powerful weapon.
  18. @KiminOrlando - oh, how well I know this scenario!! I once passed out at Walmart and fell into the clearance rack. When I came to there were many people and I heard someone calling for an ambulance. So I refused that and said that I simply stumbled because I had recent bilateral knee surgery ( sorry for lying ), got up and "limped" back to my car without the groceries. Regarding your question: I do no longer push myself like that, I have learned my lessons. I have a wheel chair for those occasions where walking or standing is required ( shopping, walks with family or friends etc ). To keep active I exercise at home and get around the house, with frequent rest periods, and on good days take a few minute stroll outside. Unfortunately being upright is still my greatest challenge and I do not expect that to ever improve ( after 10 years of experience ), I assume this is the case for you as well. Take the wheel chair for shopping and get your exercise by putting them away at home!!
  19. Dear @MadiJohn - I am so sorry to hear that you were diagnosed with POTS! I know that many people who get it as young as you have found improvement over time. -- Can you use a wheel chair to get around in school? I know it might embarrass you but it could help you a lot. I use a wheel chair anytime I have to walk or stand long, like shopping in a mall etc. It really helps to prevent the worst symptoms b/c you don't get up and down so much. - In our HS they offer temporary tutoring at home for students with illness or injuries that are expected to not be able to attend school for several months. Also - are the treating your POTS at all with medication. since the self-treatment does not appear to be effective? Are you seeing an autonomic specialist? Many of them take up to a year until you get an appointment, so unless you already are seeing one you may want to ask your doctor to be referred to one. There is a list of physicians that treat POTS (under the physician tab of this web site). A good specialist may be able to prescribe medication that can help you. I know of several students that had to delay college for a year or so due to POTS. All of them were able to finish their degree. I wish you the best and don't despair. You are not alone and on this forum we are all going through similar things.
  20. Hello @racingheart77 - it could be from muscle spasms in your neck or a pinched nerve in your neck. I am currently going through a pinched nerve in my neck that hurts ( like heck ) down in my arm and to my fingers. It also hurts when taking a deep breath b/c breathing deep lifts the shoulders and can cause pain in that area. It is not a part of dysautonomia. Alternating heat and cold to the area, avoiding movements that cause the pain and certain exercises were recommended to me, as well as Motrin or Tylenol Your PCP can determine if it is from your neck.
  21. @Patrick - you say you have carotid blockage? That can give you brain fog and also dizziness upon standing due to the poor circulation to the brain.
  22. @Julyrose - I got my port by nagging, presenting research and patient experiences and simply put: I did not give up asking for a port. I had my cardiologist agree with the port but my PCP had to order it. Because of the permanent access and being homebound I was approved for home health and a nurse comes once a week and changes my needle/ dressing. If your veins are giving out then this would be the next step. And it sounds like your doc does not want to go there, which needs to be respected. I hope you get somewhere. Best of luck!!!
  23. @Patrick - yes, POTS does cause brain fog. You might want to look under our information resources section - there are articles about POTS, what it is, how it is diagnosed etc. Commonly it is diagnosed with a Tilt table study. You can find more information here:
  24. @Patrick - welcome! I wanted to ask you - does your HR STAY elevated like that when your symptoms improve or does it go back down? In POTS the HR usually stays elevated once upright. The feeling of nearly fainting could be presyncope and due to the poor attempt of your body to adjust to the upright posture. If your HR goes back down after standing up it possibly could be neurocardiogenic syncope, which also is a form of dysautonomia. I have both POTS and NCS, so I know how they feel like. I completely agree with @Sushi that - if your current specialists are not familiar with POTS - you may want to look for an autonomic specialist. Hopefully the MS specialist will be able to give you some answers. Best of luck!
  25. @Julyrose - no, I don't think you can get dependent on it - but you can be better on it than off. I too am getting regular infusions, at home ( I have a port ) - 1 - 3 liters a week, depending on my needs. Like you I have not been hospitalized or in ER since beginning the fluids over 1 year ago. I think it is possible that your doctor is simply afraid of continouing the fluids b/c of the apparent need to go further and insert a more permanent access. I had to convince my PCP for years to go ahead with the port and he only agreed once a hospitalist refused to give me infusions when I was admitted with autonomic seizures due to POTS. The risk of infection and blood clots that come with a port or PICC line are real and can be serious, so the risk vs benefit is a difficult determination to make for your doctor. However - if you get this bad off the fluids keep a record of your Vital signs and symptoms since you are off the fluids and show him how bad you are without them. This may help him make up his mind. The fact that you are unable to drink enough fluids due to gastroparesis should be an important reason FOR the fluids in your case. I feel for you b/c I know how sick I would be without regular fluids. Best of luck!! PM me if you need more info.
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