Floreneff Subsitute

[issie]

I read some where that Licorice could be subsituted for Floreneff? Does anyone use this? Has it helped? Doesn't it have some effect on you thyroid?

[Lenna]

I read some where that Licorice could be subsituted for Floreneff? Does anyone use this? Has it helped? Doesn't it have some effect on you thyroid?

My son uses Licorice Root instead of Florinef. He can't really tell if it helps him or not. The problem is that he doesn't really have any guidance about how much to take, how often, etc. so there is a bit of guesswork involved. I'm not aware about an effect on the thyroid.

[TXPOTS]

It is a dietary supplement, so the amount per dose is not regulated. Studies evaluating equivalent dosing to Florinef are not available to my knowledge. I would want a doctor following my potassium levels if I were taking this daily. Off hand, I can't recall any effects on the thyroid, but I'm not 100%.

[issie]

I just did a little research on licorice. It does work similar to Florenif. It is the adrenals that it can affect. It can affect the cortisol levels - these can increase. Also, as brought out earlier, by another post, it can lower your potassium. But, so can Florenif. It helps your body retain salt and water in the kidney. This is what Florenif does. One other bad side effect of licorice is it lowers your testerone levels, (in men). It is supposed to help with IBS and Crohn's disease, ulcers. It is used in some auto-immune conditions. It can cause hypertension (as Florenif) and be toxic to the liver. But, I think the side effects are not any worse than the Florenif. I got all the info from Wikipedia.

[anna]

My 3 children take liquorice root 420mg tabs, it does seem to help retain their fluid not so much peeing all the time.

You might find this of use taken from a peace medicine site:-

Traditional Use

Historical or traditional use (may or may not be supported by scientific studies)

Licorice has a long and highly varied record of uses. It was and remains one of the most important herbs in Traditional Chinese Medicine. Among its most consistent and important uses are as a demulcent (soothing, coating agent) in the digestive and urinary tracts, to help with coughs, to soothe sore throats, and as a flavoring. It has also been used in Traditional Chinese Medicine to treat conditions ranging from diabetes to tuberculosis.

Active Constituents

Active constituents

The two major constituents of licorice are glycyrrhizin and flavonoids. According to test tube studies, glycyrrhizin has anti-inflammatory actions and may inhibit the breakdown of the cortisol produced by the body.1, 2 Licorice may also have antiviral properties, although this has not been proven in human pharmacological studies. Licorice flavonoids, as well as the closely related chalcones, help heal digestive tract cells. They are also potent antioxidants and work to protect liver cells. In test tubes, the flavonoids have been shown to kill Helicobacter pylori, the bacteria that causes most ulcers and stomach inflammation.3 However, it is unclear whether this action applies to the use of oral licorice for the treatment of ulcers in humans.

An extract of licorice, called liquiritin, has been used as a treatment for melasma, a pigmentation disorder of the skin. In a preliminary trial,4 topical application of liquiritin cream twice daily for four weeks led to a 70% improvement, compared to only 20% improvement in the placebo group.

A preliminary trial found that while the acid-blocking drug cimetidine (Tagamet?) led to quicker symptom relief, chewable deglycyrrhizinated licorice (DGL) tablets were just as effective at healing and maintaining the healing of stomach ulcers.5 Chewable DGL may also be helpful in treating ulcers of the duodenum, the first part of the small intestine.6 Capsules of DGL may not work for ulcers, however, as DGL must mix with saliva to be activated.7 One preliminary human trial has found DGL used as a mouthwash was effective in quickening the healing of canker sores.8

Dosage

How much is usually taken?

There are two types of licorice, "standard" licorice and "de-glycyrrhizinated" licorice (DGL). Each type is suitable for different conditions. The standard licorice containing glycyrrhizin should be used for respiratory infections, chronic fatigue syndrome or herpes (topical). Licorice root in capsules, 5-6 grams per day, can be used. Concentrated extracts, 250-500 mg three times per day, are another option. Alternatively, a tea can be made by boiling 1/2 ounce (14 grams) of root in 1 pint (500 ml) of water for fifteen minutes, then drinking two to three cups (500-750 ml) per day. Long-term internal use (more than two to three weeks) of high amounts (over 10 grams per day) of glycyrrhizin-containing products should be attempted only under the supervision of a doctor. Licorice creams or gels can be applied directly to herpes sores three to four times per day.

DGL is prepared without the glycyrrhizin in order to circumvent potential safety problems (see below), and is used for conditions of the digestive tract, such as ulcers. For best results, one 200-300 mg tablet is chewed three times per day before meals and before bed.9 For canker sores, 200 mg of DGL powder can be mixed with 200 ml warm water, swished in the mouth for three minutes, and then expelled. This may be repeated three or four times per day.

Side Effects

Are there any side effects or interactions?

Licorice products that include glycyrrhizin may increase blood pressure and cause water retention.10 Some people are more sensitive to this effect than others. Long-term intake (more than two to three weeks) of products containing more than 1 gram of glycyrrhizin (the amount in approximately 10 grams of root) daily is the usual amount required to cause these effects. Consumption of 7 grams licorice (containing 500 mg glycyrrhizin) per day for seven days has been shown to decrease serum testosterone levels in healthy men by blocking the enzymes needed to synthesize testosterone.11 However, in another study, a similar amount of licorice had only a small and statistically insignificant effect on testosterone levels.12 As a result of these possible side effects, long-term intake of high levels of glycyrrhizin is discouraged and should only be undertaken if prescribed by a qualified healthcare professional. Consumption of plenty of fresh fruits and vegetables to increase potassium intake is recommended to help decrease the chance of side effects. According to the German Commission E monograph, licorice is inadvisable for pregnant women as well as for people with liver and kidney disorders.13

De-glycyrrhizinated licorice extracts do not cause these side effects since they contain no glycyrrhizin.

Are there any drug interactions?

Certain medicines may interact with licorice. Refer to drug interactions for a list of those medicines.

[ramakentesh]

used to work wonders for me for years - not so much now days though.

[issie]

Thanks for all the information!!! Sounds like something to try, the Florineff gave me headaches and raised my BP too much.