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My feet literally feel like they are in a bowl of ice water!!

I was diagnosed with Raynaud's today. And rec'd my second opionion/pots diagnosis in Dec 2011. I currently take 25 mg metoprolol succinate, zoloft 25mg, klonopin .5 mg, sodium chloride 3gms a day (gradually increasing), ubiquinol 50mg, fish oil with vitamin d3, red marine algae, olive leaf extract and magnesium citrate 800 mg. I have read where metoprolol can aggrivate Raynaud's and should not be taken. I have a call and email into my pots specialist to see what they say. I had my tsh, free t3, free t4, ferritin, tibc, vitamin d, cbc and metabolic panel checked last week and hope to have results tomorrow. I do not pass out or have low bp. My standing norepinephrine the 45 min TTT was in the 800's. I have 2 small 5mm hypoechoic thyroid nodules that are being re-scanned via U/S at the end of next month. Would love to hear from those who have both pots and raynaud's to see what work for you Thanks so much! Liz

I wish he would explain how he got better. I am sure he could help some of us

Does anyone know what kind of treatment Greg Page rec'd for his Dysautonomia? He is going back on tour !!! http://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/original-yellow-wiggle-greg-page-rejoins-the-australian-band-after-5-years-away-due-to-illness/2012/01/17/gIQAJt7u6P_story.html

just found my levels taken 9/2010 which I was only having fatigue at the time: VITAMIN D, 25 OH TOTAL 45 RANGE 30-100 VITAMIN D, 25 OH, D2 <4 (NO RANGE) VITAMIN D, 25 OH, D3 45 (NO RANGE)

I emailed my md the whole article so fingers crossed that she ordered the right one

My pcp read the article and ordered the vitamin d tests. I only saw the lab tech so O should have results in a few days. Will post the results...if i remember...lol Liz

I would call 911 and they can check your vitals and then u will know for sure. Good luck and keep us posted

I am having labwork tomorrow and sent this to my pcp (not who treats me for POTS) and asking her to check my levels...can't hurt! Going to email this to my POTS md and see what they say....very curious! My vitamin D has been on the low end of the range Liz

Here is the whole article....i need to read it too! 1-Alpha Hydroxylation Defect in Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome (Type2); Remission with Calcitriol Supplementation. Author(s): AS Sacerdote, JO Mejia, G Bahtiyar, SA Chaudhari, Dept of Med, Woodhull Med Ctr, Brooklyn, NY; SUNY Downstate Med Ctr, Brooklyn, NY; New York Univ Sch of Med, New York, NY POTS is an increase in heart rate (HR) from supine to upright position of > 30 beats/ minute (bpm) or heart rate >120 bpm with head up tilt. It's postulated that a mutation in exon 9 of the norepinephrine transporter gene Ala457Pro, might provide an explanation for POTS symptoms. 1- alpha hydroxylation defect is a feature of chronic renal failure and Vitamin D resistant rickets, while Vitamin D deficiency is reported in fibromyalgia, a frequent comorbidity of POTS. A 37 yr old female with a history of reactive hypoglycemia, NCAH, osteopenia, and fibromyalgia.After several months of palpitations, POTS ( type 2) was diagnosed by tilt table. Her HR reached 191 bpm at 60 degrees from horizontal. Investigation suggested increase in epinephrine (E) and norepinephrine(N) levels in response to tilt table. Her 25 -OH vitamin D3 level measured by RIA was 35 pg/ ml ( normal 9-54 pg/ml) while her 1, 25( OH)2 vitamin D3 level was 24pg/ml ( normal 30-67 pg/ml). Accordingly, she was started on calcitriol 0.25 mcg orally daily. At her next visit after 5 months, she reported remarkable improvement in her palpitations and had been working full time for the past 4 months. HR both seated and upright was 72 bpm. After 3 months, her 1, 25( OH)2 vitamin D3 level on calcitriol was 40 pg/ml. There is beta -1 receptor supersensitivity with decreased alpha- 1 receptor sensitivity in POTS, which explains why palpitation is a prominent symptom. De Novelli's study of Vitamin D deficiency reported that vitamin D deficient diet induces a decrease in pressor response to NE which explains the prominent supersensitivity to beta- 1 stimulation causing prominent palpitations. Also Brion's study reported that Vitamin D deficiency decreases the activity of enzyme PNMT ( Phenylethanolamine-N methyltransferase) which converts N to E, hence N is higher than E in Vitamin D deficiency. Conclusions: A. 1 -alpha hydroxylation defect causes decreased serum 1,25( OH)2 vitamin D3 level which might be associated with increase in PNMT activity causing increased N levels leading to development of POTS. B.It's also possible that mutation of gene Ala457Pro encoding for N transport is not fully expressed in the presence of calcitriol sufficiency and that its deletion is linked with the defect in 1- alpha hydroxylase transcription, mRNA translation, or post translation expression. We suggest that 1-alpha hydroxylation defects should be sought and treated with calcitriol, if present, in POTS patients. Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009 Session Info: POSTER SESSION: CLINICAL - Clinical Case Reports: Bone & Mineral Disorders in Adults & Children (

I could not find the artice.....would love to read it

I had a negative reaction to Prozac years ago (when I dont think I had POTS). It made my BP skyrocket to 170/100 Dr said it was not possible. I was on prozac for 6 weeks then went off and after 4 weeks BP was back to normal. Hopefully it will work for you

I would love to know what your POTS dr. has to say about this......it's sounds like something that definately needs research on. I think Vanderbilt is doing a clinical trial on this. I am glad that you had some relief even though it was for a short period of time

Happy Healthy New Year!! So I am supposed to drink 3 liters of powerade/gatorade a day and read the ingredients last nite.....the 2nd ingredient is High Fructose Corn Syrup!!! Does anyone have a recipe for a sports drink? Thanks! Liz

Count me in! As long as the date/time works i will be there Liz

I have better luck with the magnesium citrate which you can get at a natural food store. It does not cause the stomach upset.

So happy that things went well at your visit! Hopefully, everything will work as he has planned for you

Good Luck!! Can't wait to hear all about it

Piedmont Hospital in Atlanta got one in 2008 http://www.piedmonthospital.org/wtn/Page.asp?PageID=WTN000112

when I took my meds in the am, I was sooooooo tired. I take my metoprolol at nite about 8pm. I just posted an article about the best time to take hypertensive meds....read when you have a chance...it's long Bystoloic made me feel horrible....like I was drugged...even got into a car accident...did not like that medication

Can't post the link because a password is needed but was emailed this info: According to the current study by Hermida and colleagues, taking antihypertensive medications at bedtime rather than in the morning has been shown to be associated with an increase in bedtime blood pressure (BP) decline toward a dipping pattern and better BP control and reduction in urinary protein excretion. Nocturnal hypertension is more common among patients with chronic kidney disease (CKD) who may thus experience greater effects of time medications for hypertension. This randomized controlled, open-label trial compares the effect of bedtime vs morning administration of BP medications on a composite of cardiovascular disease (CVD) outcomes and BP control. Clinical Context According to the current study by Hermida and colleagues, taking antihypertensive medications at bedtime rather than in the morning has been shown to be associated with an increase in bedtime blood pressure (BP) decline toward a dipping pattern and better BP control and reduction in urinary protein excretion. Nocturnal hypertension is more common among patients with chronic kidney disease (CKD) who may thus experience greater effects of time medications for hypertension. This randomized controlled, open-label trial compares the effect of bedtime vs morning administration of BP medications on a composite of cardiovascular disease (CVD) outcomes and BP control. Study Synopsis and Perspective Among patients with CKD and hypertension, taking at least 1 antihypertensive medication at bedtime significantly improves BP control, with an associated decrease in risk for CVD events, according to new research. Ramón C. Hermida, PhD, and colleagues from the Bioengineering and Chronobiology Laboratories at the University of Vigo, Campus Universitario, Spain, published their findings online October 24 in the Journal of the American Society of Nephrology. According to the researchers, the beneficial effect of taking BP medication at night has been previously documented, but "the potential reduction in [CVD] risk associated with specifically reducing sleep-time BP is still a matter of debate." The current prospective study sought to investigate in hypertensive patients with CKD whether bedtime treatment with hypertension medications better controls BP and reduces CVD risk compared with treatment on waking. The study included 661 patients with CKD who were randomly assigned either to take all prescribed hypertension medications on awakening or to take at least 1 of them at bedtime. Ambulatory BP at 48 hours was measured at least once a year and/or at 3 months after any adjustment in treatment. The composite measure of cardiovascular events used included death, myocardial infarction, angina pectoris, revascularization, heart failure, arterial occlusion of lower extremities, occlusion of the retinal artery, and stroke. The investigators controlled their results for sex, age, and diabetes. Patients were followed for a median of 5.4 years; during that time, patients who took at least 1 BP-lowering medication at bedtime had approximately one third of the CVD risk compared with those who took all medications on awakening (adjusted hazard ratio , 0.31; 95% confidence interval [CI], 0.21 - 0.46; P < .001).A similar significant reduction in risk with bedtime dosing was noted when the composite CVD outcome included only cardiovascular death, myocardial infarction, and stroke (adjusted HR, 0.28; 95% CI, 0.13 - 0.61; P < .001). Patients taking their medications at bedtime also had a significantly lower mean BP while sleeping, and a greater proportion of these patients had ambulatory BP control (56% vs 45%; P = .003). The researchers estimate that for each 5-mm-Hg decrease in mean sleep-time systolic BP, there was a 14% reduction in the risk for cardiovascular events during follow-up (P < .001). According to Dr. Hermida and colleagues, "treatment at bedtime is the most cost-effective and simplest strategy of successfully achieving the therapeutic goals of adequate asleep BP reduction and preserving or re-establishing the normal 24-hour BP dipping pattern." The authors suggest that a potential explanation for the benefit of nighttime treatment may be associated with the effect of nighttime treatment on urinary albumin excretion levels. "We previously demonstrated that urinary albumin excretion was significantly reduced after bedtime, but not morning, treatment with valsartan," they note. In addition, this reduction was independent of 24-hour changes of BP, but correlated with a decline in BP during sleep. The study was not commercially supported. The authors and editorialists have disclosed no relevant financial relationships. J Am Soc Nephrol. Published online October 24, 2011. Abstract Related Link Medscape Reference provides a comprehensive article on the pathophysiology, etiology, and prognosis of hypertension along with effective patient education information. Study Highlights The participants were patients older than 18 years with CKD (estimated glomerular filtration rate < 60 mL/minute/1.73 m³, albuminuria, or both on at least 2 occasions at 3 months apart) and hypertension and were receiving antihypertensive medications. Excluded were pregnant women; patients with type 1 diabetes, AIDS, secondary hypertension, or CV disorders; those who worked a night shift; or those who were intolerant of ambulatory BP measurement (ABPM). 661 patients (396 men) participated; mean age was 59.2 years. The diagnosis of hypertension was based on an ABPM of 135/85 mm Hg or higher during awake time or a sleep BP mean of 120/70 mm Hg or higher. 332 patients were randomly assigned to ingest all antihypertensive medications on awakening and 329 to ingest 1 or more of these medications at bedtime. The protocol did not permit for divided doses of any medications, and randomization was by each medication. Blood samples were obtained between 0800 and 0900 hours after overnight fasting, during the same week as ABPM and 24-hour urine collection for albumin excretion. At inclusion into the study, participants' BP was measured every 20 minutes for systolic BP and diastolic BP between 0700 and 2300 hours and every 30 minutes during the night for 48 consecutive hours, with an ABPM monitor. Actigraphy was performed on the wrist to document all physical activity associated with the BP measurements. The procedures for ABPM and actigraphy were repeated annually or after any scheduled change in medications. Outcomes were all deaths, myocardial infarction, angina pectoris, coronary revascularization, heart failure, acute arterial occlusion, thrombotic occlusion of the retinal artery, stroke, and transient ischemic attack constituting a composite outcome. At baseline, the treatment groups were similar. One third had type 2 diabetes, more than 70% had metabolic syndrome, 13% had obstructive sleep apnea, 15% smoked, and more than half were obese. The median follow-up period was 5.4 years. There were 139 events during the follow-up period. There was a significant difference between the 2 groups in event-free survival (log-rank 39.1 and 11.0 for total and major events, respectively). Patients ingesting 1 or more BP-lowering medications at bedtime had approximately one third of the CVD risk vs those ingesting all medications on awakening (adjusted HR, 0.31; P < .001). A similar significant reduction in risk with bedtime dosing was noted when the composite CVD outcome included only cardiovascular death, myocardial infarction, and stroke (adjusted HR, 0.28; P < .001). There were significant reductions in the individual outcomes of myocardial infarction, angina pectoris, coronary revascularization, and heart failure with bedtime treatment. Patients who ingested bedtime medications also had better nighttime BP control. Only 14.4% of those with a CVD event had good nighttime BP control. Event-free survival was significantly associated with the progressive decrease in asleep systolic BP mean during follow-up. The HR for event-free survival was 0.86 for every 5-mm Hg decrease in asleep systolic BP mean. The awake systolic BP decline was not associated with event-free survival. Reduction in urinary albumin excretion was not associated with survival either. There was a progressive reduction from 60% to 32% in the percentage of patients treated at bedtime across the quintiles of asleep systolic BP mean. This finding demonstrated a relationship between bedtime medication, sleep time BP reduction, and decreased CV risk. The authors concluded that taking BP-lowering medications at bedtime vs taking them on awakening reduced the risk for CV events and that sleep time systolic BP was the best predictor of event-free survival.

I am sooooooooo happy for you! Hope that you continue to feel well

Just realized the first link i sent is the mobile link. Here is the full site link. http://www.arupconsult.com/Topics/VIPoma.html?r=n

Glad to hear that you may have found something. Have you checked out this website. Great information and lists all recommended tests http://m.arupconsult.com/Topic_VIPoma.html Good luck to you! Liz

I had spoke with the nurse in Auburn, who I have not seen yet and she wanted me to hold off on the event monitor and on weaning of the Metoprolol till my 3 days prior to my testing on Dec 20.....i was even more confused so , I met with my PCP this morning to talk to her and see if she can help me decide what to do. She felt, and I agree, that I am going to slowly wean off my low dosage of the BB and do the 30 day event monitor which is being delivered to me on Tuesday. She wants me to hold off starting the Nuvigil that my neurologist prescribed until after all my tests results are in as that med can cause palps and tachycardia. (I have chronic fatigue according the results of my EBV DNA QNT test). She said that if the palps and tachycardia become so unbearable then to call her or the EP and we would take it from there. I will continue to take the zoloft and klonopin and see the endocrinologist on Nov 28. Whew......Now I need to take a nap....so stressful. Thanks to all for the advice and kind words