RichGotsPots Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 I just read on a another forum that a few POTS people, need to get a ton of injection before they are numb? I seriously think I got like 10+ injection one time and still felt it..Just wanted to know if it was coincidence or that these other pots people have the same thing..P.S. I know most dentists don't use Novacaine anymore, but that's what people usually associate with local anesthesia :-)BTW I found that these patients usually need a lot of Novacaine too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypokalemic_sensory_overstimulation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
issie Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 I can't get the shots with the epinephrine in them. They give the ones that does not have it and it doesn't last as long - so then you may need more injections depending on the procedure. If I take the ones with the epinephrine in them I start shaking like a leaf and yes it makes me extremely more tachy. I couldn't answer the questions the way they were written. But, that's my experience. I hate the dentist any way! Issie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rach73 Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 Im like Issie I cant take the shots with epinephrine in them. In 2003 before I got really sick I had an abscess in the root of my tooth. The dentist couldn't understand why after 11 injections I could still feel the drill. I also had part of my toe nail removed in 2009 and 5 mins into the procedure I told the dr I could feel the scissors cutting down the side of the nail. He told me I couldnt possibly feel it - I could.I fainted after the 11 injections at the dentist and spent three days in bed. I now ensure I have the shots without epinephrine as it stops me getting tachy or fainting.Novocaine not working is a sign of EDS. I am lucky in the fact they do work very quickly but I burn through the dose at light speed. My dentist now works at the speed of light with another syringe of local at the ready as soon as I start to feel anything.I too couldnt answer the poll in the way the questions are structured.Rach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzysillyak Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 I have the normal reaction to these now but I seem to remember it wasn't always that way. But my bp and hr are within the low normal range they just fluctuate when I'm upright. Maybe getting the excitotoxins out of my diet helped with this too. I'm much calmer now. Fwiw, I have a freind who needs a lot of novacaine but doesn't have pots. Imho, Asking a question like this will typically only get responses from those who agree. I wonder what dentists have to say about this. Tc .. D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharmedLinz Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 I couldn't answer the poll questions.It takes way more numbing on me & I'm still not 100%My endodontist did root canals & used 9 ampules.By law that's the max he can use in a single visit.That was on top of 4 halcion which did nothing.It does go along with connect tissue disease Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mytwogirlsrox Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 I have plain ole Pots. I never get totally numb when having dental work... Although its been 10 or so years since I've had to have novocaine. BUT somewhere I read said that if you don't get numb @ the dentist an edidural during labor won't work either. And mine totally didn't work. So do dentists use lidocaine? I've had lidocaine injections heaps of times in other parts of my body and it worked fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sue1234 Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 "P.S. I know most dentists don't use Novacaine anymore, but that's what people usually associate with local anesthesia"Well, hard to know if people are answering about actual lidocaine-based injections or just injections. As far as lidocaine, I cannot tolerate them due to the tachy and feeling like I'm about to explode.As far as the non-lidocaine injections, they don't even put a dent in the numbing. I feel the whole thing, thus have not been able to have any dental procedures done.BUT, I just found out about laser-based dental work. For alot of procedures they can now use a laser and you don't need ANY injections! I have a dental appt. this coming week to fix a front tooth that's had a hole in it for a good while. Finally I can smile and not be so self-conscious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichGotsPots Posted August 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 Looks like a lot of people voted so far and it's not that bias, split down the middle. I do think there is correlation here that u would get in a dentist office because they don't know at pots and you would get it in a clinic per se because they don't do dental work lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christy_D Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 My daughter doesn't get completely numb either, but she is also hypermobile which I've read have problems with this. The dentist uses a nerve block on her now, which I'm not sure what that actually is but it works for her.Christy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMPotsie Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 I have terrible reactions to anesthetics (tachy, vomiting, out of body sensations, seizures (?) and fainting), so I take a Percocet and a stress ball and take my drilling and filling sans anesthesia. My dentist is always duly impressed. The pain is short-lived and much better than the alternative reaction. I also really stay on top of my dental issues so that I don't end up needing a more serious procedure like a root canal. I think I'd have to be admitted for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichGotsPots Posted August 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 I can tell you that I'm not hyper mobile or eds, if anything I'm the opposite lol... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichGotsPots Posted August 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 Nmpotsie, I had the worst reaction to percocets, yucky for me... But brave of you, maybe look into those laser dental treatments in the future.. Btw in my research I saw that if you have an allergy to one anesthetic it doesn't mean u r allergic to them all.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katybug Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 I need 3-4x the normal amount of novacaine. And, I had a biopsy on my finger earlier this year and that doc had to give me what he said was about 3x the normal amt he would give before I was actually numb. He swore it was because I was having anxiety...it wasn't...at least not until he tried cutting into my finger after the first dose of local and it wasn't numb (as I had told him it wasn't). I think at that point as a pain response I had another adrenaline surge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellysavedbygrace Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 I'm thrilled to hear about the laser treatments. I will definitely look into them.I've always needed more anesthetic than one dose. But in the last year have had dental work twice and both the problems were latent onset of severe Dysautonomia symptoms. I'm still recovering from a filling done almost a month ago. I actually suspect either some damage to the trigeminal nerve or some sort of systemic toxicity that has a latent effect.Thx for posting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichGotsPots Posted August 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 Lidocaine is the most popular Caine these days but there are tons more. There are brands like carbocaine that are the same as lidocaine and can come with epi but also more often don't for people who can't tolerate epi... Has anyone been to a natural holistic type of dentist? I wonder what they use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peregrine Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 Not sure since I've only had one shot since developing POTS. But I've almost always needed more than the standard dose, especially when I was younger - I hear it's linked to joint hypermobility syndrome/EDS as well. The most recent time I had one (post-POTS showing up and not yet on meds) I did very nearly pass out, but not sure if I was tachy and also not sure if the near passing out was due to the IV they were putting in, since I'm a terrible needlephobe about IVs in particular. In the past my reaction to shots with epinephrine was no worse than shots without it (having done both), but my use of albuterol for asthma has caused tachycardia in the past (many years pre-POTS). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZDys Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 Dentist have always had a difficult time getting me numb. I always ask for a nerve block. It is the only thing that works for me. Like Issie, I get shaky when I have several local shots. Guess it is the epinephrine. It makes my heart beat very fast and I have a hard time breathing. NMPots, you are SOOOOOOOooooo much braver than I. I think I would pee my pants (literally) if I had a drill in my mouth with out anesthesia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Last Centurion Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 A normal dental procedure usually involves the dentist saying "Wow, really?" and injecting more novacaine about 8 times. I have assumed EDS. It's the same with all painkillers for me. There is a certain medical procedure a man can get when he decides he doesn't want to have anymore kids. To numb the area, you get 1 very painful shot. I needed 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imapumpkin Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 CANNOT tolerate Novocaine. I got one shot of it two years ago and i thought my heart was gonna shoot out my ribcage and run out the door...and really didn't do much numbing. Carbocaine and Lidocaine are fine and I don't get tachycardia from either..One shot of carbocaine does the trick at the dentist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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